cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
Reply
Roric
Frequent Visitor

Dataverse speed compared to Lists

Built my first productive Power App last year. Works almost flawlessly. Unfortunately its painstakingly slow. I calculated, that the collection of an additional record for the list I use adds 0.4 seconds to the loading and reloading times. So when we will be up to 200 record soon, you can get a coffee while loading.

The records have many columns and these are all needed, since there are so many functionalities. Can't reduce on the column side
Does it make sense to switch to a App driven by dataverse rather then the list in a sharepoint site?

What will be the time benefit in using dataverse?

1 ACCEPTED SOLUTION

Accepted Solutions
ChrisPiasecki
Most Valuable Professional
Most Valuable Professional

Hi @Roric,

 

Performance is going to based on a number of factors, it's not simply based on SharePoint vs Dataverse. When working with a Canvas app, you have full control over the user interface and the behavior, which means there are many opportunities for performance to be impacted by something as simple as an unoptimized formula, loading too much data, too many controls on the screen, etc. It's unlikely that its an issue with the data sources in itself, but rather with how things were configured and the Canvas app was designed.

 

I suggest reviewing these guides on how to troubleshoot and and optimize performance in Canvas apps. 

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/maker/canvas-apps/common-performance-issue-resolutions

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/maker/canvas-apps/performance-tips 

 

---
Please click Accept as Solution if my post answered your question. This will help others find solutions to similar questions. If you like my post and/or find it helpful, please consider giving it a Thumbs Up.

---
Please click Accept as Solution if my post answered your question. This will help others find solutions to similar questions. If you like my post and/or find it helpful, please consider giving it a Thumbs Up.
Chris

View solution in original post

6 REPLIES 6
365-Assist
Multi Super User
Multi Super User

I find that SharePoint Lists are good if you data has small set of records (e.g. in the 100s) and one list. Dataverse is better for data growth.

 

Some of the benefits of Dataverse over lists are:

  • Security and Permissions can be managed better for the data. For example:
    • SharePoint manages its security based on the site/library where as the DV Tables can have their own permissions. 
    • DV has column level permission.
  • If your app grows you may need to create relationships between data entities. e.g. having table relationships.

You can potentially speed up data loading in Dataverse depending on what and how you are doing it.

 

--------------------------------------------------
Please Accept as Solution if it solves your question. Or just give it a Thumbs Up if it is helpful as can help others.

Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFpvUlpx84FuIPOdInGKMTw
Twitter: https://twitter.com/assist_365

Regards
Darren Lutchner - 365 Assist

Thank you for your answer.
I read out of your answer, that the speed is not so much the advantage of Dataverse. So, in your experience a acceleration of multiple times is not real with DV?
That would imply I rather have to rethink the architecture of my data. For instance I already use multiple tables, but these could to some extent be even fragmented to more tables and implementing appropriate relationships. These relationships could be implemented in the lists.
In the end the loading has to be accelerated multiple times, so the users accept my App. Not just a percentage. What is the key to that?

ChrisPiasecki
Most Valuable Professional
Most Valuable Professional

Hi @Roric,

 

Performance is going to based on a number of factors, it's not simply based on SharePoint vs Dataverse. When working with a Canvas app, you have full control over the user interface and the behavior, which means there are many opportunities for performance to be impacted by something as simple as an unoptimized formula, loading too much data, too many controls on the screen, etc. It's unlikely that its an issue with the data sources in itself, but rather with how things were configured and the Canvas app was designed.

 

I suggest reviewing these guides on how to troubleshoot and and optimize performance in Canvas apps. 

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/maker/canvas-apps/common-performance-issue-resolutions

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/power-apps/maker/canvas-apps/performance-tips 

 

---
Please click Accept as Solution if my post answered your question. This will help others find solutions to similar questions. If you like my post and/or find it helpful, please consider giving it a Thumbs Up.

---
Please click Accept as Solution if my post answered your question. This will help others find solutions to similar questions. If you like my post and/or find it helpful, please consider giving it a Thumbs Up.
Chris
Roric
Frequent Visitor

Still, do you have any rules of thumb how much the difference of DV to Lists is (of course only for a model dataset specified for the comparison)?

EddieE
Super User
Super User

@Roric 

Is this a Model-driven or Canvas app?

 

Loading 200 records to a canvas app from a SP List should be lightning quick! For example, I has a Canvas app loading data from 2 SP Lists

- List 1, loads in ~7,500 records in 10sec

- List 2, loads almost 24,000 records in 30sec

So, around 40s to load over 30,000 records and loading all columns.

 

This could be greatly sped up even more by using the Concurrent() function but I use a dynamic formula to load my data instead of a static one that Concurrent() would need.


If my response solves your question, please accept as a solution.
Thank you!

Hi EddieE
thanks for this valuable information.
My app is a canvas app. The relevant list has 16 Columns i use. Yes, I will try to use concurrent to speed up with the other smaller Lists to load...

Helpful resources

Announcements

Community will be READ ONLY July 16th, 5p PDT -July 22nd

Dear Community Members,   We'd like to let you know of an upcoming change to the community platform: starting July 16th, the platform will transition to a READ ONLY mode until July 22nd.   During this period, members will not be able to Kudo, Comment, or Reply to any posts.   On July 22nd, please be on the lookout for a message sent to the email address registered on your community profile. This email is crucial as it will contain your unique code and link to register for the new platform encompassing all of the communities.   What to Expect in the New Community: A more unified experience where all products, including Power Apps, Power Automate, Copilot Studio, and Power Pages, will be accessible from one community.Community Blogs that you can syndicate and link to for automatic updates. We appreciate your understanding and cooperation during this transition. Stay tuned for the exciting new features and a seamless community experience ahead!

Summer of Solutions | Week 4 Results | Winners will be posted on July 24th

We are excited to announce the Summer of Solutions Challenge!   This challenge is kicking off on Monday, June 17th and will run for (4) weeks.  The challenge is open to all Power Platform (Power Apps, Power Automate, Copilot Studio & Power Pages) community members. We invite you to participate in a quest to provide solutions in the Forums to as many questions as you can. Answers can be provided in all the communities.    Entry Period: This Challenge will consist of four weekly Entry Periods as follows (each an “Entry Period”)   - 12:00 a.m. PT on June 17, 2024 – 11:59 p.m. PT on June 23, 2024 - 12:00 a.m. PT on June 24, 2024 – 11:59 p.m. PT on June 30, 2024 - 12:00 a.m. PT on July 1, 2024 – 11:59 p.m. PT on July 7, 2024 - 12:00 a.m. PT on July 8, 2024 – 11:59 p.m. PT on July 14, 2024   Entries will be eligible for the Entry Period in which they are received and will not carryover to subsequent weekly entry periods.  You must enter into each weekly Entry Period separately.   How to Enter: We invite you to participate in a quest to provide "Accepted Solutions" to as many questions as you can. Answers can be provided in all the communities. Users must provide a solution which can be an “Accepted Solution” in the Forums in all of the communities and there are no limits to the number of “Accepted Solutions” that a member can provide for entries in this challenge, but each entry must be substantially unique and different.    Winner Selection and Prizes: At the end of each week, we will list the top ten (10) Community users which will consist of: 5 Community Members & 5 Super Users and they will advance to the final drawing. We will post each week in the News & Announcements the top 10 Solution providers.  At the end of the challenge, we will add all of the top 10 weekly names and enter them into a random drawing.  Then we will randomly select ten (10) winners (5 Community Members & 5 Super Users) from among all eligible entrants received across all weekly Entry Periods to receive the prize listed below. If a winner declines, we will draw again at random for the next winner.  A user will only be able to win once overall. If they are drawn multiple times, another user will be drawn at random.  Individuals will be contacted before the announcement with the opportunity to claim or deny the prize.  Once all of the winners have been notified, we will post in the News & Announcements of each community with the list of winners.   Each winner will receive one (1) Pass to the Power Platform Conference in Las Vegas, Sep. 18-20, 2024 ($1800 value). NOTE: Prize is for conference attendance only and any other costs such as airfare, lodging, transportation, and food are the sole responsibility of the winner. Tickets are not transferable to any other party or to next year’s event.   ** PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED RULES for this CHALLENGE**   Week 1 Results: Congratulations to the Week 1 qualifiers, you are being entered in the random drawing that will take place at the end of the challenge. Community MembersNumber of SolutionsSuper UsersNumber of Solutions @anandm08  23 @WarrenBelz  31 @DBO_DV  10 @Amik  19 AmínAA 6 @mmbr1606  12 @rzuber  4 @happyume  7 @Giraldoj  3@ANB 6 (tie)   @SpongYe  6 (tie)     Week 2 Results: Congratulations to the Week 2 qualifiers, you are being entered in the random drawing that will take place at the end of the challenge. Community MembersSolutionsSuper UsersSolutions @anandm08  10@WarrenBelz 25 @DBO_DV  6@mmbr1606 14 @AmínAA 4 @Amik  12 @royg  3 @ANB  10 @AllanDeCastro  2 @SunilPashikanti  5 @Michaelfp  2 @FLMike  5 @eduardo_izzo  2   Meekou 2   @rzuber  2   @Velegandla  2     @PowerPlatform-P  2   @Micaiah  2     Week 3 Results: Congratulations to the Week 3 qualifiers, you are being entered in the random drawing that will take place at the end of the challenge.   Week 3:Community MembersSolutionsSuper UsersSolutionsPower Apps anandm0861WarrenBelz86DBO_DV25Amik66Michaelfp13mmbr160647Giraldoj13FLMike31AmínAA13SpongYe27     Week 4 Results: Congratulations to the Week 4 qualifiers, you are being entered in the random drawing that will take place at the end of the challenge.   Week 4:Community MembersSolutionsSuper UsersSolutionsPower Apps DBO-DV21WarranBelz26Giraldoj7mmbr160618Muzammmil_0695067Amik14samfawzi_acml6FLMike12tzuber6ANB8   SunilPashikanti8

Check Out | 2024 Release Wave 2 Plans for Microsoft Dynamics 365 and Microsoft Power Platform

On July 16, 2024, we published the 2024 release wave 2 plans for Microsoft Dynamics 365 and Microsoft Power Platform. These plans are a compilation of the new capabilities planned to be released between October 2024 to March 2025. This release introduces a wealth of new features designed to enhance customer understanding and improve overall user experience, showcasing our dedication to driving digital transformation for our customers and partners.    The upcoming wave is centered around utilizing advanced AI and Microsoft Copilot technologies to enhance user productivity and streamline operations across diverse business applications. These enhancements include intelligent automation, AI-powered insights, and immersive user experiences that are designed to break down barriers between data, insights, and individuals. Watch a summary of the release highlights.    Discover the latest features that empower organizations to operate more efficiently and adaptively. From AI-driven sales insights and customer service enhancements to predictive analytics in supply chain management and autonomous financial processes, the new capabilities enable businesses to proactively address challenges and capitalize on opportunities.    

Updates to Transitions in the Power Platform Communities

We're embarking on a journey to enhance your experience by transitioning to a new community platform. Our team has been diligently working to create a fresh community site, leveraging the very Dynamics 365 and Power Platform tools our community advocates for.  We started this journey with transitioning Copilot Studio forums and blogs in June. The move marks the beginning of a new chapter, and we're eager for you to be a part of it. The rest of the Power Platform product sites will be moving over this summer.   Stay tuned for more updates as we get closer to the launch. We can't wait to welcome you to our new community space, designed with you in mind. Let's connect, learn, and grow together.   Here's to new beginnings and endless possibilities!   If you have any questions, observations or concerns throughout this process please go to https://aka.ms/PPCommSupport.   To stay up to date on the latest details of this migration and other important Community updates subscribe to our News and Announcements forums: Copilot Studio, Power Apps, Power Automate, Power Pages

Users online (2,252)