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Power Apps Portals Licencing cost is too much

Currently, the licencing cost for Portals is too much and too convoluted 

The main issue is that each login into a Portal is charged on Day Pass like structure (24 hours)

so if there are 50 users who log in 20 times, that's 1000 logins which are currently priced at $1000

so that's $20 Per Month Per User or even more if users login more often

 

Now, as a comparison SalesForce portals are currently priced at $7.00 per login per month for an individual user for unlimited logins

It's cheaper. It's simpler.

 

Can we please get Microsoft to do the same? 

cause from experience the current cause is prohibitive to some of our clients

Status: Under Review

Thanks for the feedback. Over last couple of years we have added several new tiers for logins which reduces this cost considerably. However, for Tier 1, 2 and 3, this is still an issue if user logs in alot of times in a month and we are reviewing this for a future update

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EranY
Regular Visitor

Can you please provide a link to any documentation that clarifies that we get 100 logins per day or that it reset back to 100 every 24 hours?  I couldn't find that anywhere - only that the cost is 200$ per month and that we get 100 login - can't find anywhere that it's 100 logins per day.

 

Thanks!

TiagoFreire
Kudo Kingpin

@EranY , that's the only possible interpretation from all the documentation and blog posts issued. 

I too cannot find any reference of the $200 per 100 logins refreshing daily. 

 

If $200 per 100 logins is a daily capacity, rather than a monthly one, that would change things considerably (for the better), but I can find no indication of this interpretation being correct from the documentation and communication I have found. 

 

EranY
Regular Visitor

@TiagoFreire : I would really want it to reset daily, but based on what I'm reading in the docs, it's actually $200 per month for 100 logins, and each login is a single user logged in for 24 hours.

 

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/power-platform/admin/powerapps-flow-licensing-faq#what-is-the-minim... this also highlights that you need to assign the logins across different portals, and it does seem like it's logins/month...

GillesP
Frequent Visitor

Hi ,

 

I have the same question, so I opened a MS support request and unfortunately, here is the answer, for 100 "users" :

 

Problem Scope

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Portal add on purchasing for PowerApps

                 

Root cause

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Multiple logins during the 24-hour period count as one billable login.

 

Resolution

============ 

For 100 users to login to portals every day, that would be 100 logins per day.

 

100 logins per day * 30/31 days = 3000/3100 logins per month.

 

 

 

CNT
Super User
Super User

However anyone can calculate - IT IS JUST SUPER EXPENSIVE.

MS has to rethink their pricing plan if Portals have to take-off.

OliverRodrigues
Super User

I've seen several threads now where users are not using entity permissions just to avoid paying licenses.

This can have several data protections implications. Microsoft should consider licensing changes ASAP.

dileeps
Power Apps
Status changed to: Under Review

Thanks for the feedback. Over last couple of years we have added several new tiers for logins which reduces this cost considerably. However, for Tier 1, 2 and 3, this is still an issue if user logs in alot of times in a month and we are reviewing this for a future update

TheDDM
New Member

Just to add, this is something I've just been looking into for a potential project in a large enterprise. 

 

We are a .asp.net team with now an ambition from ivory architects to branch out into PowerApps "for fast turn around" on development features/timelines, and are potentially looking at API interfacing into PoweApps Portals... our user base and scenario could well be around 2000 / 3000 people logging in each day? 

 

Even if it was only 1000 users? what's the maths here? Am I right in thinking if 1000 people logged in once a day "every 24 hours" then it would be around 30k "logins" for the month, and we divide that by the units (/100) so 300. 300 * 32 (the current unit price) = $9600 ? And we could potentially triple this. 

 

Even considering the Enterprise Agreement and VL / Sales stuff, this seems a lot.

 

We'll soon surpass the cost of the internal team per month, might as well build a custom portal and host it ourselves rather than utilising PowerApp/Portals.

 

Apologies if my maths was off...   

OliverRodrigues
Super User

@TheDDM your maths seems right to me. For that volume you could probably get Microsoft sales team involved and potentially get some discount.

We are constantly talking to Microsoft that this needs to be reviewed as it is usually a decision factor for lots of customers.

TheDDM
New Member

Thanks @OliverRodrigues , I'd certainly expect a margin of cost off the listed RRP. Just attempting to get rough figures together for the potential financial modelling  that leads into getting projects off the ground, we'll need to also consider Service Bus costs etc etc.